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FelixKat - think that person from Peoria Az must have been on something when he wrote that post. A.

Free ride thru the classes never helps. That โ€œbeing at causeโ€ is something I rarely hear from Klemmer Samurais, more from PSI Seminars. Though in PsI Seminars the grads hear it more as โ€œat fault/guilt โ€œ vs being equal to conditions so not to function as helpless victim - we can always learn something useful that is forward moving from any mistake or blessing.Check out Tony Robbins seminars he addresses a lot of the landmark Forum โ€œtechnologiesโ€ without using jargon and breaks down into simple language and steps - over 25 years ago. No mystery why Tony does so well.

Had a friend who came back from Heart one of Klemmerโ€™s advance classes, No rave reviews and asked me to read whatโ€™s on this site plus the rick Ross forum. Having not being around seminars for a while I will just speak to the business part of Klemmer based on what I see , and hear thru the grapevine and from my experience working with small family companies. Klemmer is a business in trouble . No direct marketing mechanism, indirect influence is not generating the numbers, graduates dont seem to take the leadership and their experience seriously , its more like a โ€œseminar respect โ€œ for the facilitator.

Big problem in a personality driven business. Leadership is more interested in facilitating - the juice of breakthrough vs the hard work of building classes. Building classes is where the rubber meets the road. N o one in the class the facilitators might as well stay home and talk to their bathroom mirror - not much of an ego boost or life transforming experience !!

One thing Brian did well, was he networked massively with other speakers or trainers that had a following, and then swapped followers - you rub my back and Ill rub yours strategy - passing students and book endorsements and he had a sales guy that is referred to here on this site and others, that did well and became partners ..then imploded. Why Brian hired him is beyond me, but birds of a feather do tend to flock together - a law of attraction thing. Euphoria led to arrogance and downfall - both on an individual and company level. What Brian ultimately was , is a speaker and trainer who hustled.

Brian was not a CEO or a businessman, but he worked hard to build his business - he had the founders mentality. what he did not have was real empowered leadership in his organization. And he loved kiss ***. LOVED them.

He avoided those who spoke up and against his own view of the world . Brian Klemmer has glasses on that he REFUISED to swap out. REFUSED. Stubborn Klemmer as famous at PSI Seminars and anyone who thought otherwise was on hope *** that Brian would EVER change.

There was no shared responsibility - it was truly Brians way or the highway. Brian Klemmer failed in planning for the future both in terms of people and business growth. His BS about 500 year plan was as insane as he had no 5 week plan. His only growth strategy was INTENTION - as in clear energy for the next few BIG classes.

HE NEVER knew or believed INTENTION can be exhausting and he confused synergy with sustainable teamwork In my opinion Klemmer lived totally in a Personal Mastery CLASSROOM environment. That on Sunday everything got better, Except when his top people thought they were creating a CULT of dummy followers then the company and Brian Klemmer got STUCK in a RED/Black game that he never came out of, till time ran out. I believe he was spoiled by network marketers, MLM types that came to his seminar looking for the Holy Grail in droves, That Holy Grail came with a high financial price tag, and it takes work to constantly. without annoying other people, to work on our own context.

Those crowds of MLM filled his classes but there is a constant need for new influencers. When the going got good, beyond their imagination, the inexperienced - name;y Klemmer and his leadership team, got *** and arrogant...actually believing they were the cause of their success vs the client;s BELIEF that network marketers need to have in their own success and training. Klemmer and Associates became an inward focused company vs outward focused, taking time to write the compassionate samurai buying thousands of copies to resell and goose the best seller rankings and lauding his leadership team without the test of time and tribulation are all examples of hubris and inexperience. Somewhere along that path to growth, the truth about Klemmer and PSI Seminars CULT tendencies came out and on to the internet.

Brian Klemmer;s lack of sophistication to see how the world has changed and continues to change was partly responsible for Klemmerโ€™s eventual demise. Transparency and stories flew at light speed 24/7 whether fairly or not, its the CEO;s job to navigate change. Once you are known as a CULT and seen as taking advantage of naive common folk, the TRUST is gone and so is your business. Brian NEVER prepared his company for that even as he knew about his health condition and the limited time we all have on earth.

There he was either in denial and failed his successors miserably. Brian Klemmerโ€™s company is a B2C company not a B2B cultural transformation company though his website claims to have that experience. Itโ€™s a retail business focused on not so sophisticated and gullible buyers. The same type of buyers that lack the self confidence to trust their own judgement and common sense.

The poor tired and hungry all depend on TRUST. When that TRUST got violated because the business was now seen as a CULT, and Brian loved being the figure head and GURU, game over when TRUSt is violated. I dont beleve from the stories I hear, that the TRUST was EVER restored. Successive leaders never stepped up to the plate and played all out to reclaim that.

A Brand is more than a change in ownership. A brand lives in the imagination of its stakeholders. Not in the imgination of the owners. And when TRUST is violated, when understanding and awareness of what LGAT exercises are, people come to their own conclusions based on their own experiences, and yes seen thru their own filters and shared in their own way - on and offline.

And graduates react strongly when such trust is violated. Brian grew arrogant and *** as his business grew. The rick Ross cult forum caught him unprepared and he tried to blow it off. Rick Ross has pro bono attorneys that can take on Landmark Forum.

Brian Klemmerโ€™s Klemmer and associates is a tadpole compared to Landmark. No way money hungry Brian is going to spend money on lawyers to take on Rick Ross Cult forum. Brian taking on his client and sharing personal details online was TABOO. He broke TRUST again - for all the talk of compassionate samurai - HUMILITY was missing when he needed it the most.

The rest....Brian brought on himself - he basically imploded his own company . Brian Klemmer and his family are solely responsible for the lackluster 3rd tier ranking of this personal development company. His Christian flock deserted in droves so did his direct sellers. Who in their right minds take on their customers that depend on Word of Mouth and trust to build his classes?

Brian Klemmer as a businessman was an utter and complete failure. And an arrogant and stubborn one at that. And a great lesson for those who depend on the cult of charisma to build a business. Just ask about James Arthur Ray.

Then arrogance and stubbornness met one man with the inside scoop that was next to Klemmer and decided to spill the beans on the CULT on Rick Ross. End of Klemmer.. Brian klemmer failed his business and successors. In my opinion Brian got too big for his own shoes - the stress, the recession, the lost in trust could no way have been good for his health or his company.

How ironic a man who writes about balance had none. A man who writes about compassionate samurai had to eat his own words and actions about his leadership team.

A man who was huge into service and contribution, did not even build a team to take over for him. Any surprise his team is struggling ?

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Data for 2022 from the Direct Selling Association (DSA), comprised overwhelmingly of MLM companies, shows a continuation of its two-decade slide relative to US Retail Sales. Klemmer and Associates fixation with network marketers is just another example of " losers attracting losers" ? Kimberly Zink was a failure at network marketing, among other career choices, maybe she is using the seminar to exorcise her personal demons ?

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Brian Klemmer and his company is a phony scam all the way. Mr.

Napoleon "Intention" Klemmer toger with his personal right hand Steve " Scam" Hinton skimmed $$$ off idiotic network marketers peddling INTENTION vs MECHANISM. Except when the idiot network marketers showed up at Heart of the Samurai, they were pitched an "options trading" course which is all mechanism except Klemmer got a 30% cut from the tuition fees of the option course. Is there any integrity to this disgraced West Point Con artist with a diseased DNA know as Krystal Zellmer - May the Klemmer name perish in infamy and shame, as the widow and kids have found out.

None have continued the Klemmer scam name. Now the scam legacy is passed on to Zellmer and Zink, lets see how they spin the Klemmer Legacy ranch to fleece more money from idiots "donating" to this "ranch".

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klemmer and Associates is failing miserable because they have ill-equipped leadership in temperament, mindset and skills. Out moded business models based on a pyramid like direct selling network marketing model, an unsustainable product build on ever increasing tuition with declining client results.

Hype + Hope => unsustainable meaningful results in the real world and in real time. Pure emotional hype = failure All adds up to an emotional scam designed to filch more money out of a gullible unaware, guilt driven crowd desperate for emotional release and addicted to being fixed by ancient experiential exercises from the 70s. The world has moved on and the seminar and leadership is stuck in the past, unable and ill equipped to deal with their own company transformation. its s The exact promise that they sold you, but cant keep and apply for themselves.

THAT is a SCAM of the highest order - everybody else is broken but them....when the truth is, everything is broken about their business. A book on amazon on INTENTION will not fix this company that is rotten and rotting away from the inside.

Guest

Trust fund baby + falied insurance and direct seller + failed mom + Cult seminars = Pleasant distractions for the guilt ridden, under achieving, gullible, day dreaming fool, afraid of reality.

Guest

Inexperienced and inward focused leadership leads to poor endings. Seminar type business is a " cult of personality " type business, and when the leadership is hunkered down with no amazing and epic personal or professional results, the performance of the company follows.

Zink and Zellmer need to get out there to really stretch themselves vs preaching to the staff and attendees.

A period of decline is upon them and performance follows leadership. Terrible company to put your faith and money behind, better choices out there with less drama and better privacy

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The Klemmer LGAT seminar business is struggling not because of covid, but it is because the class has no long term redeeming value. 6 months or so out, Klemmer clients feel cheated out of their hard earned cash, and endless hours chatting and gossiping with their "short term seminar friends" - linked to each other by seminar drama and distracting themselves from their real lives.

This seminar from beginning to end, was designed not for clients, but for more and more upgrades to next seminar and next seminar. And the innocent, gullible, happy victims of a scam that keeps paying and paying till common sense brings them down to earth.

Klemmer is a scam , just not big enough for the state Attorney General to investigate them like they did with PSI Seminars. Klemmer's time will come either thru their own inbred stupidity or pure arrogance.

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I like facilitators that are experienced in life , business, and facilitation. Klemmer facilitators have failed direct sellers, failed insurance sales person, failed mother, and someone that has been a mother and not much else.

So I guess depending on which class and facilitator you have you will learn more about WHAT NOT TO DO, then what to do to succeed. Not exactly something I want to pay $15K and more for!

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Doing my homework on this company based on annoyingly incessant hounding by some friend's of my girl friend. Getting mixed reviews from "cult" to best thing since sliced bread and *** amounts of joy and appreciation.

What I couldn't find was any "testimonial" about amazing results that would impress me and clearly articulated based on past and present transformation. Not finding anything impressive, I am going to pass. sounds like too much money and drama for my already busy life.

Sounds like the seminar is a fit if you have repressed emotional issues or hang ups. Better than 12-steps I guess but terribly expensive, and leery of all the hype vs price.

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would you build a business based on a handful of jacked up attendees with a small circle of contacts? Whew - total network marketing mindset at work.

Get with the program Klemmer folks, hiding behind a 1960s business model in the 21st century - what do you have to hide? If you are that great, with that many reviews, shout out from a mountain top.

Get digital - siphon some of that tuition money and take destiny in your own hands with advertising and direct to consumer = Be bold like you preach in those classes, or stay dug in and hide in those tiny apartments in Durango that your poverty stricken mindset allows you to live in. What a bunch of clowns and hippies still pretending to be gurus in a world of DIY.

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The whole series of seminars is worth about $1000, not 10X more as Klemmer charges. They raise the price based on emotional hype, but I value what I pay for on ability to acquire and deliver outcomes.

For that reason...Personal Mastery, Advanced Leadership and ESPECIALY Heart of the Samurai are serious con jobs.

Lots of "filler " activities in Heart of Samurai - just a waste of money and a total RED VOTE on the attendees by Klemmer and Associates ! For Shame Klemmer, you all just keep reinforcing your reputation of being a CON ARTISTS.

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Brian Lee Klemmer was an energetic speaker. A lousy CEO and a con man.

As a CEO he made no preparations for succession or develop a sustainable and viable business beyond the "cult of personality" business, and his "arguments with God" books to stir up controversy. Business imploded when Klemmer imploded. The role players of facilitators left to disappear into irrelevance, and the "new leadership" are hardly leaders on their best days. The new leadership are more like recognition hounds that love the limelight and cant handle the reality of life.

Being in front of a seminar room is a perfect escape from the self-discipline of reality. Want proof ?

how does a facilitator for a "character development and leadership" business end up in a Durango Courtroom while watching her son sentenced for armed assault? Serious "Know-do" gap in within Klemmer and Associates, and why are you even thinking of parting with your money to attend a seminar from this phony, all show-no go , Klemmer and Associates?

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I remember Brian Klemmer at one of our sales events, roaring away with those sunglasses. Really too bad the company has shrunk to a small whimper of its former self.

Being labelled a cult by Klemmer's hand picked right hand man sure didn't help the company's brand and image. My downline bailed in droves and I had to do some fast talking. Looking back it was fun insightful , horribly expensive and not very useful in the long run. I would not recommend any of my new downlines to attend this company's seminars.

Klemmer's leadership has changed, and the leadership's background raises more questions about their track record and intentions, than I am comfortable with. From personal experience, leaders have to walk the talk or they fall fast, whether a CEO or politician. Other options exist elsewhere and my downlines report positive results with NLP.

Simple, drama free and effective. And none of these NLP companies came back to badger our folks to promote and attend or host more marketing workshops for them .

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My suggestion to the current crop of failed Klemmer "Leadership" Team: Drop the insular, sorority sisters, something is wrong with the attendees, we know what we are doing, Klemmer is perfect ACT! The "off stage" reality of your personal lives speaks volumes over the "acting personal" of your seminar lives.

Klemmer and associates is a disaster happening in real time, by any measure - how do you define success? The insular, small town , scarcity driven mindset is ruining the alleged "character and leadership" seminar company. Living in a glasshouse means you dont throw stones.

The deeply flawed facilitators that you have now are sowing the seeds of your next major failure. We will be here to expose every stupid, short sighted, stubborn mistake you make as you inherit the failed leadership DNA and policies of that con man Brian Lee Klemmer.

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you are wasting your breath making any suggestions to anyone spawned, chosen, touched, mentored or coached by Brian Lee Klemmer. You can count on anyone "chosen" by Klemmer to be stubborn, egotistical, self-righteous, a legend in their own minds, have a short man/person "Napoleon " Complex and a "my way or highway " and "gimme a cut" attitude.

Like Klemmer legacy Ranch - use the cult groupies money to fund a monumental failure of a "Legacy Ranch" to "leadership and character" development that is barely visible nor experienced in the current crop of "The Chosen" Best thing the current crop of "sorority sisters" is go hunt for a present day slimy snake oil sales person like Steve Hinton to complement their principles of correct living seminar. Until then - this mish mash of archaic "leadership development" with zero marketing ( what can a direct seller and a failed insurance sales rep,ex-model, failed mom) ever commit to growing a business?

Klemmer was just flat out blind and stupid, and hired as usual for egotistical reasons, just like how he hired Steve Hinton and Patrick Dean which contributed to the company BLOWING UP from WITHIN ! Hara-Kiri for a failed Daimyo !

Guest

The Jurassic Nightmare of the Personal Development industry ! "Over the hill" Facilitators preaching archaic principles that us millennials picked up in Psychology 101, no worthwhile cutting edge solutions and full of guilt trips.

Seminar company needs to take a fast walk to an elephant's graveyard and be done with this. Or get with the 21st century, Awareness is soooooo est from the 70's.

You will walk out of there highly AWARE of all your problems and hope that the next class and the next class has the solution, when all the next classes are the same old principles demonstrated in different ways at 10X the prices. Terrible company.

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These facilitators have no life experience ! They exit their caves and their sheltered lives only to run from one seminar to the next.

What they have are shallow horrible life experiences of apartment dwelling in small towns, breaking down in court while their son is sentenced for assault, filing personal bankruptcies and live in small towns with little to non existent world exposure. The facilitators and staff are so out of touch with the real world, the seminars are practically worthless. The klemmer facilitators "preach and screech " from a self-righteous, idealistic, worldview in the seminars, but they have no personal lives worthy and what petty lives they do have are subject of ridicule! What in the world are you paying these Klemmer cave dwellers, that are "legends in the safety of their own minds" , to learn/show you what exactly ?

How to send your son to jail for assault? - K. Zink? How to file personal bankruptcy ?

D. Scott Pullan? How to judge and label others ? Diane B?

How to raise kids via their grandmother? K. Zellmer ?

How to pretend to have life experience ? Klemmer Staff

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In a fast moving world Klemmer's seminar company is still peddling horses at TESLA prices, horses suffering from malnutrition on top of that. They are still relying on a friend's word of mouth - insane for a seminar business.

Is your friend's life challenges the same as yours? Do you want what your friend wants or what you want? Why do you think a one size fits all seminar works ? This company focuses on the "human condition" - knowing your fears has nothing to do with having the courage to live your highest aspirations.

Klemmer's seminars focus on the "deficiency" model, what you are not good at and why. Except knowing why does not mean you will. Thus the flaw of this training. It was developed in the 70's when self-awareness and turmoil was all the rage.

Except again, today we dont live in those times. Awareness level is high, and science has proven a positive approach works better than a deficiency model - and the flip of feeling guilt then feeling acceptance that is in those exercises, by no means makes the guilt go away ! It is a temporary high, a shot in the arms. Do you want to become an "emotional high" addict or an empowered one?

Taking Klemmer classes will make you an addict and a samurai groupie, and when all your money is gone paying for more classes...coming down is a hard crash back to your old self. The proof is in how the facilitators live after the seminar - coming off the high - they are declaring personal bankruptcies as in Scott Pullan and giving surfing reports in Dillon Beach as in Patrick Dean - the "samurai sensei" - a loser without students. And as for the current crop of facilitators - do you want to send your teenagers to a "youth camp" where the head facilitator and president of the company's son is a convicted felon? All the while she is flying around giving classes and playing at being a beauty queen , writing books and facilitating the samurai game while failing at the real game of life - raising empowered, healthy kids.

Has it occurred to you that these "facilitators" are escaping their real lives by hanging our playing Ms.

Perfect Being in a controlled seminar room? Dysfunctional company doomed and cursed to fail by their own behaviors and avoidance.

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The leadership group ( they are not a team ) At Klemmer and associates are dinosaurs - slow and ponderous filled with their own imaginary beingness while their seminars goes unfilled. Is it too much to ask a "character and leadership" seminar company to honor their refund policy ?

Is it too much to have facilitators that can actually practice what they preach vs sitting in court witnessing their son convicted for felony assault?

Or declaring personal bankruptcy to avoid creditors? And the core of this training is " Personal Responsibility " Please, can someone from Hollywood make a B-rated movie on these facilitator clowns at Klemmer and Associates?

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This person must have been in the Klemmer Organization at some point - way too much inside dirt and trash. From someone who has staffed and attended the seminar, this company needs to right the ship.

Same song different day is not working plus whatever internal transformation needs to happen for this organization to grow again.

Otherwise, the past and present will create a nasty picture of decay . Really surprised how the company turned out, but if any of the above is true, then somewhat understandable and sad for a deteriorating situation.

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At least "Gimme a Cut Klemmer " had a mission - to make as much money as possible from naive Direct Sellers with deep need to believe in something outside of themselves. The latest crop of "Klemmer Cult" has bold and descriptive "declarations of self" with little real life accomplishment.

Klemmer's latest crop of brainwashed Facilitators can talk the talk - but has yet to prove they can walk the walk . They can talk you into the next seminar - and soon they have your $10K and you have "hope *** No wonder Klemmer Cult targets direct sellers and church going simple folk!

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