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Klemmer & Associates Personal Mastery Workshops

Just attended in Dallas.

Shame on them. While we are well adjusted and did not fall for this cult like pyramid scheming sales pitch and psychobable- many people who are at lows in their lives did. The coughed up $2000 plus for a chance to be beaten up some more at the next level seminar. I am in sales. I have never seen a more slimmy scheming sales pitch on the last day as I have seen here. At Lunch the leader sent 4 of the volunteers" to work on us- that was their mission by the leader.

When we said it was not for us they asked us to: "remove our filters".

While we all have "filters" some are good" My main filter is God through Jesus Christ. I am not taking that one off. This seminar was prepping us the whole time with their psychobabble bull **** for the big sales pitch on the last day. Over half of the last day is centered around selling the next seminar. And if you have not bought in- then they tell you are wearing your filters again.

Want to pick "black" (positive choices) then do not give them more money.

Do not send your spouse or children who are at lows in their lives or have other issues that need professional help.

Do not let them and your wallet be KLEMMERIZED.

They play off their weakness and will lead them in the wrong direction. Their energy and your money should be spent on different resources.

For me and my wife the money for this first was a drop in the bucket- for most others it was not.

Do tour homework before attending! And beware - most of the "positive reviews" are by people on the payroll. Some of them start off the blog or article like they were "skeptical" at first- which is a sales technique in itself. By then end of the article- they are encouraging you to pick up the phone and call these guys!

*** your "filters" and see this group for what they are! They learned from the best cult training possible!

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Guest

Klemmer Legacy Ranch??? Brian Lee Klemmer's Legacy is this: a seminar scam that hyped thousands of network marketers of their savings and credit card to buy the hype an a useless options trading seminar that Brian Lee Klemmer, the disgraced West Point Graduate, received commissions for each Klemmer fool that paid for the options seminar.

Go ahead....drink that Klemmer Kool-Aid and empty your wallets. That is your legacy - an empty wallet and a samurai sword worth $10 on ebay.

Guest

Waste of time and money. Not willing to be roped into some mass recruiting machine, horrified by how "brainwashed" the "sponsor" and friend is drinking the "kool aid" No thanks, now or ever. Other growth opportunities abound.

Guest

Beware of this company Klemmer and associates, as the Bible warns: In romans 16:18 " For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." This company's seminar exercises in the name of experiential training - sets the attendees up to be vulnerable and gullible, then they slam an upgrade pitch of never enough and guilt for you to attend the next seminar for more money to fatten their own wallets. What a shame !

Life is an experiential seminar - we learn and grow . This company is overpriced and irrelevant and has been for years !

Guest

Klemmer and Associates Advanced Leadership and Heart of the Samurai are overpriced, dramatic and designed for emotional highs for them to sell you, and not as much for your life as you paid for.

Klemmer and Associates as an ethical company is questionable as long as they charge the prices they do for Heart of the Samurai and Advanced leadership.

It is ridiculous to pay these prices for Advanced leadership to listen to 3 facilitators suffering from - "I gotta look good", " Ill try not to look clueless", "I am so lethargic" from the network marketing and insurance industry dish out advice to naive Christian Church goers about how to be"Bold, ethical" leaders.

Where is everyone's common sense?

Guest

I posted in the wrong company I am so mad. Now I have found Klemmer and Associatesm I give you a piece of my mind now.

I just got back from Klemmer and Associates Heart of the Samurai - I am furious and feel the class is a total RIPOFF.

I repeat, Heart of the Samurai from Klemmer is a TOTAL RIPOFF.

I am from Hawaii, we do a lot of service work, my whole family at shelters and feed the homeless.

We do not need to fly to San Diego to do a service project. Much as I love Project Mercy, we have our own challenges in Waipahu and Wainae.

We paid $3500 plus plane fare and lodging to work on us. Not to do a service project.

We do that here, right at home.

IF Klemmer and associates want to be responsible they need to provide more information about what is in Heart of the Samurai, before we register. We are not sitting in chairs to watch Kimberly Zink, President of Klemmer create drama and guilt trips.

Diane and Scott you two are no longer welcome in our community. KAipo can build personal mastery by himself - We will no longer pay or promote for a class where its all about Klemmer and Associates when WE ARE the CLIENTS !!

Guest
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Part II - Klemmer Heart of Samurai is a RIPOFF,

When I came back from Heart - I had my family over, we talked over thanksgiving. We have mental health and social workers in our families as well as construction and college graduates.

We love to serve our community and help each other. What we found out about Klemmer and Associates and PSI Seminars is this

1: We the students, paying clients of Klemmer and Associates and PSI Seminars is โ€œnever good enoughโ€ - always do more.I want that I get that at home , for FREE!! We came to hear and learn new habits to go beyond not good so we can build our confidence and grow - instead the subjective communication. Is BE and DO more and be and Do more service.

We do too much of that here, no thank you if we have to pay tuition.

2. Klemmer and Associates and PSI Seminars are not the only ones that have answers. At times at Heart of Samurai I feel like I back at my own Church kine listening to my pastor.

Instead of this tall Haole Kimberly Zink going on and on about service 0 I think she likes herself too much almost like actress at award p and me and my friends are paying her to be in front of room for her own pride. We pay for us not for her to show us her latest outfit.. AHHH I am so mad kine. !!

3.

I tell all my friends I believe Klemmer mission if Klemmer match money we raise at Heart of Samurai for Project Mercy - if we the class are working and doing good, Klemmer can contribute and match our fund raise dollar for dollar. They can do good too, otherwise Klemmer all talk kind no show and no dough. SO MAD we felt we were manipulated, ok if its my program or tape I take responsibility. Would STILL love to see KLEMMER put their $$$ where their talk is coming from that Kimberly Zink !!

4.

You all are not mental health professionals, my family has them. What you do in the room with some of the clients, scares me. Donโ€™t want to staff and dont want to be liable. Your money your responsibility, hope you dont get sued by crazy people.

5. If everything I hear about your founder is true on this site, you all have your own work to do, You all not in integrity and it shows on your face and the energy of the class and the universe. Not supporting your efforts - too much stuff you all need to clean up. You all have lost your ALOHA when I compare notes with my friends, you all either have too much $$$ oe not enough $$$.

Your founderโ€™s mission is someone elseโ€™s mission from 10-15 years ago .

We thought we were listening to someone visionary and original not copycat like made in china cheap kine stuff. Very Sad and shame on you all Kimberly Zink and your managers

Guest
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Part III

I pray to Kahuna for you all at Klemmer and Associates. I like Advanced leadership, but your Personal Mastery is just like PSI Basic, your Heart of Samurai is our nightmare.

You want to make good with our Klemmer Hawaii Grad community, you bring Heart of Samurai to Wainae and we do service projects and you match money we raise.

We bring community to raise $50K and you Klemmer and Asssoicates match $50K, We invest $100K in Wainae - together do some good and in Malaga. Then we in Ewa, Waipahu, an dWainae believe and support you. None of this you all talk we do the work - just like old plantation days. Done with that!

Done with Heart of Samurai - no Hawaii support from now on. RIPOFF and Klemmer no integrity.

No Character, no heart!

Until then you haoles all talk no action and definitely no money. We no believe in you in Hawaii, Klemmer no ALOHA.

Guest

All this fuss about Klemmer and Associates as a SCAM and a CULT all started from the book the Compassionate Samurai?

In his hubris of raping Christian wallets and Churches like Vikings, Brian Klemmer gleefully wrote a book and praised his partners Patric Dean and Steve Hinton. These two then turned around to admit the truth that Klemmer and Associates is a cult that preys on naive Christians , takes their money and gives them hope for a better future.

Then Steve Hinton - snake oil peddler galore and Brian Klemmer buddy - brought his kin/brother into the seminar and that was the end for Brian Klemmer - should have refunded that dude his money.

Brian Klemmer broke his word, soiled his own honor, brought shame and turmoil into his own company and branded a cult leader. Dumkopf Klemmer - that didnโ€™t end very well for a self-righteous limited life exposure Christian that manipulated crowds and had a pleasing stage personal.

How did your glee work for you Brian? Here is a message I have for Roma and Leadership over there at Snake Oil Central called Klemmer and Associates - make sure you visualize and communicate this:

โ€œ But let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream,' Amos 5:24 โ€œ BTW Marines guard the gates to Heaven, and wouldnโ€™t you like to find out what we think about army types?

Guest

Just got off a training call with my team. When I compare what/why and how we do training vs Klemmer Workshops - Non-stop feedback in the name of growth.

I am starting to see the problem with Klemmer Workshops.

It is not feel it to relate to it - the experiential or learning by doing, its the Feedback from their pompous facilitators like John Edwards the eager bunny feeedback guy from Advanced leadership. Must have picked this guy based on loyalty not talent!!

That Klemmer Style of workshop training will be hard to absorb day to day under real world conditions of a direct seller - too idealistic, confrontative, pompous, good for a "first awareness look" - heavy on guilt - diificult to implement hard to measure.

Not recommending Klemmer workshops to my downline, EVER AGAIN

Guest

My team in Australia, US and Europe for a Direct Selling company was looking for a training company. I mentioned Klemmer and Associates from a decade ago, here is what we found:-

Klemmer and Associates is now known more as an "LGAT" training and allegedly a "cult" by some who have attended the seminars like Personal Mastery and "Advanced Leadership".

My team used to send a lot of our associates in Australia and the States to this training.

It was once ranked as a top MLM training about 10 years ago.

Since then it is no longer ranked among the top 20, if at all, as a MLM training company by MLM/direct selling association.

It is no longer ranked, if ever, as a top 25 personal development trainers or even speakers. you can google which ones are in the top 25.

The Character of the company leadership seems to be at issue with its response to Klemmer and Associates Personal Mastery and business as a "SCAM" and a "CULT" - and its response on the company website seems to reinforce concerns vs resolve concerns. Leadership is not only about loyalty, just like Character has nothing to do with someone attending West Point or not.

The West Point honor code is to "not lie, cheat, steal or tolerate those who do". To tolerate Steve Hinton as an employee of Klemmer and Associates and his snake oil approach to business and disrespect of clients by labeling them as "sheepies and ***" as shared by someone in Steve Hinton's own family is not Honor, west point graduate or not. Though Steve Hinton, now with Council of Leadership, eventually separated from Klemmer and Associates, Brian Klemmer lavished praised on Steve Hinton in his books Compassionate Samurai. Where was Brian Klemmer and his Leadership team's wisdom and character assessment skills?

Did Steve Hinton's ability to fool Direct Sellers into attending Klemmer's Personal Mastery the dominant criteria for character and successful ethics? To pay Klemmer and Associates Faciliataors as independent contractors while potentially violating US IRS rules is neither ethical nor honorable. And all this happened when the author of Compassionate Samurai, Brian Klemmer was President. This is not the code of a Samurai.

We got to know his team over the 2 years our associates took Personal Mastery , then stopped. Where there is "smoke there is fire" and when rumors started spreading about Brian Klemmer's leadership style and values - we stopped sending our associates. Now we have Facilitators that fudge resumes on Linkedin? We have Samurai Camp Facilitator Centa Terry raising money for her mission via GOFUNDME?

Thank God she raised the money, but where is the abundance in seeking others to fund your mission? We had facilitators at Advanced and Samurai Camp that were clearly not physically healthy and they were training our associates of a nutrition company? Leadership and Character is evaluated over a long time. Just being an author of books like the Compassionate Samurai, does not an authority make, Being interviewed via newspapers is just a matter of hiring a PR agent.

As time has passed and we evaluated our own success as individuals and as a team, the challenges and mistakes we made together and individually, there were no "3 minute awareness" answers. Awareness is only a small, small part of what took to build a team. It was an essential part, but not the whole picture at all. Isn't the ultimate test of a "Training" company on "Leadership and Character", is the success of the training company, and those of its clients??

IF that was the criteria, Klemmer and Associates is NOT a premier nor effective leadership or character building company. Its a slogan. Its business has shrunk, its many clients embarrassed to be associated with anything resembling a "CULT" or LGAT methods.

Look elsewhere and good luck to all who are searching. The merits, and efforts of a worthwhile journey cannot be paid for with a credit card.

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Agree with you mate. the success of a training company is the success of its clients.

And as a result of their clients success, the company grows. I have been researching training companies for my organization based in Honolulu, Sydney, Hong Kong and Osaka.

We have a huge celebration on Oahu every January with over 2500 attendees and invite international speakers, trainers and communication/body language experts to our events.

Have been following the threads here and elsewhere. Food for thought based on all the comments and reviews here on Klemmer and Associates - not for us as we prefer customized training, not canned public classes.

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BrisbaneAuzzie:

Sorry for not asking earlier, would you recommend some training companies that can handle 12-month contracts in multiple locations per month, once we approve?

Our company can provide translators, but of utmost importance is 1) capacity and 2) ability to diagnose different elements of our sales force, - rookie, pro , sales directors.3) Continuous measurement, monitoring and coaching/mentoring for up to 12 months. We value numbers and attitudinal feedback from our associates equally in evaluating our trainers.

If you could recommend here, we would appreciate it very much!!

Guest

Klemmer and Associates are either teaming up with Council on Leadership , Steve Hinton, their #1 sales promoter again in San Luis Obispo?

When it comes to Facilitator credentials, experience and resume - Did Steve Hinton really graduate from that University? Did he really license himself to california state board of contractors?

What companies did he help build and was it sustainable?

Who taught Steve Hinton how to facilitate? Klemmer and Associates?

Be careful of LGAT facilitators , check and verify their linkedin Resumes as mentioned here.

Why do these LGAT Facilitators like to target Churches ? Similarity between Klemmer and Associates and Council on Leadership?

Also like mentioned elsewhere - check out Steve Hinton Council on Leadership comments at Rick Ross Cult Education forum under Klemmer and Associates....Buyer Beware...posts date back to 2007.

Guest

BriansDaimyo - It is going to be hard with Klemmerites who have their own version of sunglasses on to believe anything other than Brian Klemmer is a flawless leader.

a West point graduate has been disgraced before - right around the time - Klemmer was serving in the army - General Samuel Koster. So going to West Point in the 70's just meant that you went to West Point, got a scholarship and willing to serve your 4 years in the army and your country.

Does that mean you have impeccable honor and destined for greatness ? Hardly.

Brian Klemmer's tirade against the person who claims Klemmer and Associates is a cult, on the klemmer and associates Blog, is an absolute disgrace to the confidentiality and the trust that seminar participants have in the facilitator, and him.

Brian Klemmer violated the sacred Bushido code - namely honor and trust. He disgraced himself and the company and the world to see.

He and his facilitators at Heart of the Samurai just raked the wallets when the participants are in a trusting happy state for other products.

Its called triggering the emotional states. A disgraced Samurai meets an unhappy ending.

Brian Klemmer and him alone is responsible for the Klemmer and Associates demise today and the "Cult" reputation of the company, the personal mastery seminars and those related to it. He paid facilitators bonuses on the number of students that paid for the next seminar in the series. The trust the students have with the facilitator during all those private shares in the seminar, was used for more upgrades.

That is violating trust and a dishonorable act - think about it. He destroyed the sacred trust between a company and those who believed in it. He with Steve Hinton, took advantage of the vulnerable state of the students to build more classes, buy more classes. Did the students have to be victims of this abuse?

No- they had a choice, but trust reigns supreme and all paid a price for a trust violated. His books are nothing but a twist on leadership, a marketing ploy - the sword and bowing to him to receive the sword during Advanced Leadership. Good Grief - how much more cult-like can you get????? If you attend these classes - hang on to who you are and your wallet .

Take what is useful - you paid your tuition, but dont fall for that Compassionate Samurai. There was NOTHING about Brian Klemmer and the code of Bushido for the Samurai. Far from it - he was an opportunist, with 20 years reciting the same class for PSI Seminars and Steve Hinton played into that opportunistic part. Facilitators lived from seminar to seminar, week in week out...for 20 years doing the same thing, at the same time.

Think of a janitor that wipes floors for 20 years - would you ask a janitor to build a building, or how to keep your floors clean?? If you want to build seminars and stand in front of a room - you will learn a lot. If you think your life will be dramatically better, forever - think again!! Just like the opening line of Klemmer and Associates CULT response - is it a cult??

Think !!! So watch out for the Council on Leadership in Paso Robles as well...Time will tell.

Guest

Brian Klemmer the author of The Compassionate Samurai discussed ETHICS in that book and that he actually knows and lives that way?

IF so - he would not have a response to questions about Klemmer and Associates being CULT, and revealing private and confidential information about his accuser on the Rick Ross, cult education Forum. How ETHICAL was Brian Klemmer in revealing that information about his PAID clients?

IF Brian was so ethical and had character, - why did he not pay his Facilitators as salaried employees but as Independent Contractors?

And as Independent Contrators why was Brian Klemmer telling them What to do, How to do it, When to do it, and TRAINING the facilitators? Is that Ethical of Klemmer and Associates? Lets hope the practice stops before the IRS is on them?

IS it Ethical for Brian Klemmer to bring in an options trading expert to peddle options seminars at the Heart of the Samurai, and received a 20% + kickback from the options seminar promoter? Is it Ethical to abuse the heart of the samurai student's trust and receive a kickback / commission?

Why was Klemmer and Associates/or entities associated with Brian Klemmer Compensated based on options seminar sales?

Is it Ethical of Klemmer and Associates, and Steve Hinton in particular, to approach Direct Sellers like USANA and AVON how they could improve their downline's sales performance, knowing full well they will be sold OPTIONS TRADING SEMINARS at Heart of the Samurai?

Brian Klemmer claims Klemmer and Associates is the Premier ( Seriously ) leadership training company??? - well his trainer "leaders" all left, unlike Tom Willhite at PSI Seminars. Tom's facilitators stuck around to continue the mission LONG after Tom Willhite passed away- Brian Klemmer was one of them.

How many of the Facilitators from 2010 at Klemmer and Associates are still around? Leadership that did not develop other leadership, bench depth, and the company is now run like a family owned trust with smaller and smaller footprints. If Klemmer and Associates is not growing its DECAYING rapidly. Klemmer FAILED to develop Leaders that will grow the mission - and why did they not stick around?

Klemmer talks about character in his book the Compassionate Samurai - yet Brian Klemmer CHOSE to hire His #2 and #3 - Steve Hinton and Patrick Dean, and FIRED them . How good was Brain Klemmer at evaluating character? If you cant evaluate character, what business did Brian Klemmer have to write about it? How much did Brian Klemmer, author of Compassionate Samurai really practiced ethics, character at the Moment of Truth, when its hard to practice ETHICS and demonstrate Character when personal financial gain was involved?

Brian Klemmer compromised the TRUST of his clients by breaking confidentiality when they accused his company of being a cult, whether Klemmer and associates is a cult or not, its UNETHICAL to promise Client confidentiality then publish the client's family circumstances. Thats UNETHICAL. Its UNETHICAL to build trust, promise sales performance then offer alternative income methods to Direct Sellers AND receive a Commission. Saying there is no cross recruiting does not mean it is not happening.

Cults issue edicts. Cults fight dissenssion. Cults say the leader knows best and discourages/forbids critical thinking . Did Brian Klemmer really pass the sniff test when it came to ethical Leadership?

You decide. Hope the new generation of leaders learn and improve the tarnished Brand

Guest

Daughter Krystal Klemmer Zellmer is running the show now , all women employees, for better or worse time will tell.

But this cult that Brian Klemmer started with the help of Steve Hinton, will forever be under scrutiny whether in their classrooms with cameras and recorders, online or in the real world .

they will try and put "lipstick on a pig" , and if the angels speak and they do well, good for them.

but the "tell" is in results over time, not "shares in a room".

BTW - what lead Kimberly Zink to share an emotional outburst on her Coach Kimberly Zink Facebook page about a personal issue? Does she really need to air all that?

Be transparent, be good or be gone.

Frenchie Xcb

remove your "filters" and see this group for what they are! They learned from the best cult training possible!

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